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GREAT conversation! I listened to the whole thing. It was very intriguing ... Reinforces some ideas I have been considering, but also gives me much to think about ... I think it is really important for more people to talk about how journalism went from a very working class profession to an elite profession, and how difficult it is for working class people to become journalists. Perhaps, more journalists should consider their CLASS privilege and look to diversify their perspectives, and get back to giving a voice to the poor and working class. ... And somehow, we need to starting bridging the rural/urban divide ... Maybe the first step is to limit one's exposure to social media and corporate media. Talk with real people!

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Totally! I wish more people would get into journalism by *doing* rather than through journalism school... It seems to have completely altered the landscape. I learned the most through my internships — working directly with experienced journalists and editors, and from then actually having to get out there and actually talk to people. I'll tell you that when I started in journalism *I* wanted to do 'activist journalism' and was angry at being told I must be unbiased, and show 'both sides'. I was lucky to have a couple of old school journalists teach me this, but it seems that's all been lost.

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Meghan, Batya,

This was a valuable exchange. I'll listen to it a second time to make sure I've got the viewpoints and evidence down (I listen on my long runs). It's not that I agree with everything the two of you said, but I think your choice of topics and your views are REALLY IMPORTANT and need to be in front of more people. Probably just as important is that it's a sincere exchange; it's not a sanctimonious, condescending damnation of all who think differently. This episode converted me to paid subscriber--perhaps my small contribution will keep Meghan going or at least buy her a cup of coffee. Thank you for what you do, and thank you for staying grounded while you do it. Keep it up.

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Thank you so much, Joe! I really appreciate that.

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