And I would say the Israel Palestine conflict has shown how quickly some people on the right will go to banning demonstrations and canceling people just like the left (especially the Woke left). Also, seeing some leftists talk about how the current cancellations are not the same as the previous cancellations has been intriguing to watch. Hopefully they do not get too dizzy from all the twisting, turning and squirming.
Left, right and the political scale is pretty useless these days. Now it is authoritarians versus freedom lovers.
“ .... I still support your right to speak bad speech, even if what it really means supporting your right to refer to a terrorist group as “freedom fighters.” Have your pro-Sharia law speech! Out yourself publicly as someone who believes mass murder is “amazing” and “brilliant.” Call working class Canadians fascists while standing with antisemites.”
Thank you, Meghan. I totally agree. Putting cards face up on the table reveals all.
Your last paragraph is brilliant. It says it all. Yes, please do tell me exactly what you think, so I know who my enemies are. If I censor you, you'll still think the same way, except that instead of making it plain you'll clobber me in a dark alley when I least expect it.
It's worth highlighting the cleverness of progressive rhetoric, which created a false paradigm regarding speech as a means of suppressing it entirely: Speech is violence. But also, just to be sure, Silence is also violence.
Let me make it easy for you: The only safe speech is no speech, unless I'm talking.
Here’s a recommendation: Sheila Jeffreys’s FQT webinar about free speech. It’s up on the WDI YouTube channel. She said that free speech for women means something very different than free speech for men. Men’s fight against censorship had the sole purpose for them to be able to talk dirty about women as much as they liked.
Why would you assume I am unaware of her/these arguments because I disagree? I have known Sheila for many years now. She was one of the first podcast/radio interviews I ever did, actually. I am articulating disagreement with the feminist position on free speech and while I am aware of the history and the misogynist ways free speech arguments can be used, I have come to the conclusion that I'd rather have bad speech than no free speech.
I’m not assuming. I didn’t mean for it to come across as an assumption, my apologies. I know that you have interviewed her and know her and her views. I’m only recommending that video because I think it’s interesting, and perhaps some other readers who may not know her might find it interesting as well. Of course, bad speech is preferable than no free speech at all. And free speech would ideally include the right to be heard and respected, especially for women and girls.
Gotcha. I mean, I do get the arguments. And men have dominated not only speech, but the free speech debate! Still, we see men seeing only themselves among free speech advocates, and leaving women out of the conversation. It's maddening. Women need to fight to be heard and to speak on these matters. It's exhausting. But at the end of the day, I think free speech needs to be protected no matter what. Otherwise we are in an even worse position than we already are.
My grandpa used to talk dirty about women as often as he wore his favorite Members Only jacket (every day and it was quite smelly). One day he called my grandma a frigid c*nt at a family party. I said that was mean and was told quickly to shut up and know my place.
My grandma also liked to talk dirty about other women. She would sing about them too. One time there was a wedding in our family and she took one look at the cleavages of the bridesmaids’s dresses and began to sing to the tune of Guantananera:
“Cuanta ramera
Ah, mira cuanta ramera”.
Which would be something like “look at all these cheap ladies” in English.
I’m glad my grandparents had freedom of speech to say and do these things and I’m glad I have free speech to tell these stories.
Free speech for me not for thee.
And I would say the Israel Palestine conflict has shown how quickly some people on the right will go to banning demonstrations and canceling people just like the left (especially the Woke left). Also, seeing some leftists talk about how the current cancellations are not the same as the previous cancellations has been intriguing to watch. Hopefully they do not get too dizzy from all the twisting, turning and squirming.
Left, right and the political scale is pretty useless these days. Now it is authoritarians versus freedom lovers.
“ .... I still support your right to speak bad speech, even if what it really means supporting your right to refer to a terrorist group as “freedom fighters.” Have your pro-Sharia law speech! Out yourself publicly as someone who believes mass murder is “amazing” and “brilliant.” Call working class Canadians fascists while standing with antisemites.”
Thank you, Meghan. I totally agree. Putting cards face up on the table reveals all.
Ain’t that the truth
Thank you Megan!! 👏
bravo!
Your last paragraph is brilliant. It says it all. Yes, please do tell me exactly what you think, so I know who my enemies are. If I censor you, you'll still think the same way, except that instead of making it plain you'll clobber me in a dark alley when I least expect it.
It's worth highlighting the cleverness of progressive rhetoric, which created a false paradigm regarding speech as a means of suppressing it entirely: Speech is violence. But also, just to be sure, Silence is also violence.
Let me make it easy for you: The only safe speech is no speech, unless I'm talking.
ha. Exactly
Here’s a recommendation: Sheila Jeffreys’s FQT webinar about free speech. It’s up on the WDI YouTube channel. She said that free speech for women means something very different than free speech for men. Men’s fight against censorship had the sole purpose for them to be able to talk dirty about women as much as they liked.
Why would you assume I am unaware of her/these arguments because I disagree? I have known Sheila for many years now. She was one of the first podcast/radio interviews I ever did, actually. I am articulating disagreement with the feminist position on free speech and while I am aware of the history and the misogynist ways free speech arguments can be used, I have come to the conclusion that I'd rather have bad speech than no free speech.
I’m not assuming. I didn’t mean for it to come across as an assumption, my apologies. I know that you have interviewed her and know her and her views. I’m only recommending that video because I think it’s interesting, and perhaps some other readers who may not know her might find it interesting as well. Of course, bad speech is preferable than no free speech at all. And free speech would ideally include the right to be heard and respected, especially for women and girls.
Gotcha. I mean, I do get the arguments. And men have dominated not only speech, but the free speech debate! Still, we see men seeing only themselves among free speech advocates, and leaving women out of the conversation. It's maddening. Women need to fight to be heard and to speak on these matters. It's exhausting. But at the end of the day, I think free speech needs to be protected no matter what. Otherwise we are in an even worse position than we already are.
My grandpa used to talk dirty about women as often as he wore his favorite Members Only jacket (every day and it was quite smelly). One day he called my grandma a frigid c*nt at a family party. I said that was mean and was told quickly to shut up and know my place.
My grandma also liked to talk dirty about other women. She would sing about them too. One time there was a wedding in our family and she took one look at the cleavages of the bridesmaids’s dresses and began to sing to the tune of Guantananera:
“Cuanta ramera
Ah, mira cuanta ramera”.
Which would be something like “look at all these cheap ladies” in English.
I’m glad my grandparents had freedom of speech to say and do these things and I’m glad I have free speech to tell these stories.