Jonathan Kay is a journalist; the Canadian editor and podcast host for Quillette; a National Post columnist; and an author, whose forthcoming Fall 2020 book will be about the history of American film exhibition. I spoke with him on Tuesday, June 16 about the current state of journalism, the New York Times meltdown over Tom Cotton's op-ed, the ousting of Wendy Mesley, the firing of David Shor, why we should consider defunding the CBC, and what a better model for media might be.