Well said, Meghan. This is Covid 2.0. The 1984 insert is, sadly, exactly what is happening.
The rational people know that Trump uses tariff's as a bargaining tool. My best guess is that he severely underestimated Canadians in thinking that we would start holding our own government to account. Little did he know that Canadians have very little interest in the fact that the CCP interfered in our elections, or that our political ruling class has close ties to Asian crime gangs, or that more fentanyl is produced here than can possibly meet demand. We're still very much the 'nice' and 'tolerant' country (as long as you don't speak out against the current thing).
I really just wish Trump would be more clear in his demands. It might help a little in fighting back against this blind rage and hatred.
I know this is a little tin-foiley, but it's always important to keep in mind:
Everything you see in the news is a play staged for the public. We have no idea how clear Trump was in his demands, because we were not in the room when his administration phoned up Ottawa and talked to them. We can only speculate.
It's not tin-foiley at all, lol. I've watched an interview with a public service fellow who was at the top in the UK government and he disclosed how all Parliament sessions are pre-planned and everybody has their talking points. I would say Andrew Bridgen was the first to go off script. Nothing surprises me anymore.
About Trump's demands: Those who have read his Art of the Deal book (I haven't) say this is his modus operandi, as he makes clear in the book. First round you go in with outrageous demands, then you negotiate back to what you really want.
You're right about our apathy/ resignation/ virtue signalling propensities, and your guess is probably correct. Now he might be recognizing us as the Democrats we resemble.
Right! I've talked to a few people who honestly became quite distraught at the thought of Canada becoming the 51st State. When I point out that Canada is further left than the US, and the vast majority would support the Dem's, and this would be the death knell for the Republicans, they do calm down a bit. Even 'conservative' Alberta would be a purple State. I am quite disappointed in my fellow Canadians.
UBI is part of the package too. Tied to digital everything. With Brownie points, as we used to say. Many spiralling down into poverty already will claim it gladly as welcome relief.
And all they had to do was fix the border and clean up the drug labs. It's all so insidious it's hard not to cry. Or laugh.
Yeah that's kind of what I mean by "government handouts"... I think the plan is to get as many people as possible on UBI. Singh is saying "EI reforms," but I think that's essentially what he means.
I have read that Carney is pushing CBDC's, and to have it connected to an EI/UBI program makes absolutely perfect sense. Otherwise, why would people go along with it. I haven't talked to a single person who thinks CBDC's are a good idea, but I know they would change their mind in a heartbeat if they didn't have to do anything for it. Little do they realize, the cost will be their freedom.
I am a Canadian citizen who has lived in the US for 15 years. I recently lost my work visa, and am facing a move back to Canada. From my point of view, all of this tariff stuff is baffling to me.
On the one hand, I firmly predicted that these tariffs would never actually happen. Tariffs are not good economically, for anyone. What tariffs are good for, is extorting political concessions from junior trade partners. I assumed that Trump wanted something from Canada, and would make some demand, and someone in Ottawa would ultimately say "ok ok ok, we'll do whatever you want, just please turn the tariffs off". I am baffled that this has not happened.
But on the flip side, the Canadian reaction to this is like the worst possible reaction they could have, and Americans are basically mocking us. Canadians need to "fight back"? Bruh, America could crush Canada in _a day_ if they felt like it. The American perspective on this is basically the same as a parent watching their 8 year old have a temper tantrum. "Oh, that's cute, they think they can fight".
The unfortunate reality is that Canada's economy depends on the US, but the American economy does not depend on Canada. Sure, it will hurt in the US. Prices on some stuff might rise 5 or 10%. But nobody's going to care. Hell, given 10% inflation for the last four years, nobody will even notice.
I would hope that, facing an existential economic crisis, the Canadian government would stop fucking around and get back to actually governing effectively, but it looks like that's not going to happen. Unfortunate, given that my future is tied to Canada, not the US. But, real talk: we're all fucked now.
At the moment, the best case scenario for the welfare of Canadian citizens is if the US actually does turn Canada into the 51st state. But as much as I hope that will happen, it never will. If nothing else, a Republican president isn't going to add two new democrat senators. That would be insane.
I think you are right on all counts. This won't hurt Americans and it will hurt Canadians a lot. And yes, I think tariffs are a bargaining chip, and Trump wants Canada to make a deal about something he wants, and instead of doing that they are screwing Canadians because they know this is a good political opportunity for them.
The pain will certainly be short-term for the States. With more manufacturing jobs moving back, the future is looking very positive. And with all of the corruption that Elon is exposing and the billions of wasted tax dollars, well let's just say, that I am very happy for the Americans, and also quite jealous. As for us Canadians, we are a virtuous lot, and it will be our downfall.
Paraphrasing. He says it's not the time for an election because 'it's an emergency' and we need to 'support workers' etc. It's in response to a question in the video.
I stopped when he switched to French because I thought that meant he was done. I didn’t realise there would be a Q&A after. He looks like he’s standing in front of a throne. Is that normal??
"Trump is not a threat to Canadian democracy or your sovereignty. The people screaming emergency at you in order to convince you to abandon your rational senses and drag your chair in front of the telescreen for the Two Minutes of Hate are the threat."
I agree. Trump may appear irrational or casual, like he just thought of something now. He doesn't explain his motivations in detail. He doesn't work off a teleprompter or come prepared with a script. The transparency of his actions speaks for him. How many heads of state have the confidence or the skill to televise, unscripted in real time, the negotiations we saw among him, Vance, and Zelenskyy?
He makes deals, he free-styles, he understands human nature. When he speaks to the country, he's speaking to the rest of the world at the same time. Other heads of state, also deal makers, understand what he's proposing, intending, or threatening to do.
On the other hand, Singh's speech is an exercise in veiled threats, fear mongering and speculation. This or that catastrophic thing might happen. To be extra safe, let's unite in hatred and be terrified right now!
Then comes the juicy part: the next round of government control: "We must PUT DEMOCRACY ON HOLD and ensure we can get as many Canadians as possible back on some kind of “PANDEMIC-STYLE RELIEF."
There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, put on your masks.
From your lips to Gods ears! The tariffs seem a little erratic, though I’m a reluctant supporter. I noticed that nearly all my groceries from Trader Joe’s are Canadian imports. That pain is going to be real lol
Well said, Meghan. This is Covid 2.0. The 1984 insert is, sadly, exactly what is happening.
The rational people know that Trump uses tariff's as a bargaining tool. My best guess is that he severely underestimated Canadians in thinking that we would start holding our own government to account. Little did he know that Canadians have very little interest in the fact that the CCP interfered in our elections, or that our political ruling class has close ties to Asian crime gangs, or that more fentanyl is produced here than can possibly meet demand. We're still very much the 'nice' and 'tolerant' country (as long as you don't speak out against the current thing).
I really just wish Trump would be more clear in his demands. It might help a little in fighting back against this blind rage and hatred.
I know this is a little tin-foiley, but it's always important to keep in mind:
Everything you see in the news is a play staged for the public. We have no idea how clear Trump was in his demands, because we were not in the room when his administration phoned up Ottawa and talked to them. We can only speculate.
It's not tin-foiley at all, lol. I've watched an interview with a public service fellow who was at the top in the UK government and he disclosed how all Parliament sessions are pre-planned and everybody has their talking points. I would say Andrew Bridgen was the first to go off script. Nothing surprises me anymore.
About Trump's demands: Those who have read his Art of the Deal book (I haven't) say this is his modus operandi, as he makes clear in the book. First round you go in with outrageous demands, then you negotiate back to what you really want.
You're right about our apathy/ resignation/ virtue signalling propensities, and your guess is probably correct. Now he might be recognizing us as the Democrats we resemble.
Right! I've talked to a few people who honestly became quite distraught at the thought of Canada becoming the 51st State. When I point out that Canada is further left than the US, and the vast majority would support the Dem's, and this would be the death knell for the Republicans, they do calm down a bit. Even 'conservative' Alberta would be a purple State. I am quite disappointed in my fellow Canadians.
I am too. Disappointed. Trying to be uncrushed in the fray.
UBI is part of the package too. Tied to digital everything. With Brownie points, as we used to say. Many spiralling down into poverty already will claim it gladly as welcome relief.
And all they had to do was fix the border and clean up the drug labs. It's all so insidious it's hard not to cry. Or laugh.
Yeah that's kind of what I mean by "government handouts"... I think the plan is to get as many people as possible on UBI. Singh is saying "EI reforms," but I think that's essentially what he means.
I have read that Carney is pushing CBDC's, and to have it connected to an EI/UBI program makes absolutely perfect sense. Otherwise, why would people go along with it. I haven't talked to a single person who thinks CBDC's are a good idea, but I know they would change their mind in a heartbeat if they didn't have to do anything for it. Little do they realize, the cost will be their freedom.
Yes, I believe he is...
I am a Canadian citizen who has lived in the US for 15 years. I recently lost my work visa, and am facing a move back to Canada. From my point of view, all of this tariff stuff is baffling to me.
On the one hand, I firmly predicted that these tariffs would never actually happen. Tariffs are not good economically, for anyone. What tariffs are good for, is extorting political concessions from junior trade partners. I assumed that Trump wanted something from Canada, and would make some demand, and someone in Ottawa would ultimately say "ok ok ok, we'll do whatever you want, just please turn the tariffs off". I am baffled that this has not happened.
But on the flip side, the Canadian reaction to this is like the worst possible reaction they could have, and Americans are basically mocking us. Canadians need to "fight back"? Bruh, America could crush Canada in _a day_ if they felt like it. The American perspective on this is basically the same as a parent watching their 8 year old have a temper tantrum. "Oh, that's cute, they think they can fight".
The unfortunate reality is that Canada's economy depends on the US, but the American economy does not depend on Canada. Sure, it will hurt in the US. Prices on some stuff might rise 5 or 10%. But nobody's going to care. Hell, given 10% inflation for the last four years, nobody will even notice.
I would hope that, facing an existential economic crisis, the Canadian government would stop fucking around and get back to actually governing effectively, but it looks like that's not going to happen. Unfortunate, given that my future is tied to Canada, not the US. But, real talk: we're all fucked now.
At the moment, the best case scenario for the welfare of Canadian citizens is if the US actually does turn Canada into the 51st state. But as much as I hope that will happen, it never will. If nothing else, a Republican president isn't going to add two new democrat senators. That would be insane.
I think you are right on all counts. This won't hurt Americans and it will hurt Canadians a lot. And yes, I think tariffs are a bargaining chip, and Trump wants Canada to make a deal about something he wants, and instead of doing that they are screwing Canadians because they know this is a good political opportunity for them.
The pain will certainly be short-term for the States. With more manufacturing jobs moving back, the future is looking very positive. And with all of the corruption that Elon is exposing and the billions of wasted tax dollars, well let's just say, that I am very happy for the Americans, and also quite jealous. As for us Canadians, we are a virtuous lot, and it will be our downfall.
P.S. sorry to hear about your situation.
Say louder for the people who only ever get their news from CBC! ☄️
Singh actually said this or you’re paraphrasing?
> we must put democracy on hold
Paraphrasing. He says it's not the time for an election because 'it's an emergency' and we need to 'support workers' etc. It's in response to a question in the video.
Ok yeah that sounds close enough. Anyway I think you’re right about the intention to find any emergency to deflect from being accountable.
I stopped when he switched to French because I thought that meant he was done. I didn’t realise there would be a Q&A after. He looks like he’s standing in front of a throne. Is that normal??
"Trump is not a threat to Canadian democracy or your sovereignty. The people screaming emergency at you in order to convince you to abandon your rational senses and drag your chair in front of the telescreen for the Two Minutes of Hate are the threat."
Here, here.
He seems to have given this considerably more thought than Trump has.
I think Trump knows exactly what he's doing...
I agree. Trump may appear irrational or casual, like he just thought of something now. He doesn't explain his motivations in detail. He doesn't work off a teleprompter or come prepared with a script. The transparency of his actions speaks for him. How many heads of state have the confidence or the skill to televise, unscripted in real time, the negotiations we saw among him, Vance, and Zelenskyy?
He makes deals, he free-styles, he understands human nature. When he speaks to the country, he's speaking to the rest of the world at the same time. Other heads of state, also deal makers, understand what he's proposing, intending, or threatening to do.
On the other hand, Singh's speech is an exercise in veiled threats, fear mongering and speculation. This or that catastrophic thing might happen. To be extra safe, let's unite in hatred and be terrified right now!
Then comes the juicy part: the next round of government control: "We must PUT DEMOCRACY ON HOLD and ensure we can get as many Canadians as possible back on some kind of “PANDEMIC-STYLE RELIEF."
There it is. Ladies and gentlemen, put on your masks.
From your lips to Gods ears! The tariffs seem a little erratic, though I’m a reluctant supporter. I noticed that nearly all my groceries from Trader Joe’s are Canadian imports. That pain is going to be real lol